By: Diane Benjamin
This morning I spoke to a mother of a child in a Unit 5 school. I’m purposely being vague because I need to know if this is happening at other Unit 5 schools.
Her child has twice had a nose bleed at school. She was twice sent to the nurse’s office. So far no problem.
BUT:
both times the school nurse made the child strip naked, including underwear. No, the outfit wasn’t covered in blood. The underwear of course had no blood on them. The nurse went on to watch the child use the bathroom in the nurse’s office, a comment was made to the mother about teaching the child how to wipe.
The child was then dressed in clothes provided by the nurse including underwear that were probably recycled. The child did have a change of clothes, including underwear, in their backpack. It is always in their backpack.
The first time the mother was called because the child was throwing a fit, the second time the child wasn’t so she wasn’t called. Her child just came home in different clothes.
The first time the mother didn’t get overly aggressive, she believed it would never happen again. The second time she had to restrain herself to keep from appearing to be a lunatic. The child is not disabled and totally capable of using the bathroom and changing clothes without being watched even though a bloody nose doesn’t warrant either.
Many problems with this situation:
- A bloody nose does not require stripping naked
- A child should not be forced to put on used clothes, especially underwear, when there was no blood on the clothes the child was wearing
- A school nurse should not be allowed to do ANY of the above
- No child should be forced to put on used underwear, I doubt the school stocks new pairs
- A school nurse has no need to watch a child use the bathroom that does not need assistance
- Was the nurse grooming the child? Making the child cofortable being naked around adults?
- The child has been told to NEVER allow this again, how is the child supposed to object?
Has this happened to your kids? Something similar?
Or, is that school nurse just a pervert?
I do know what school, I’m just not saying.
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Nurse?
1st thing is this person should be terminated along with losing any/all licensing and/or certifications PERIOD
That nurse DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!! There is no excuse for that type of behavior in public!!!! Ron
Highly disturbing. I hope the parent can elevate this. As we know from another school district in Virginia, they were willing to cover up even the rape of a 15-year-old from the parents to protect their reputation. The transgender boy went on to rape another girl at another school.
Unless the child had an accident in her pants That nurse had NO business having the child remove her clothes (If were the child’s mother I’m afraid I would probably be in jail ! ). I would be interested in hearing the reason for the child having to remove her clothes
Keep up the good work Diane
No accidents happened!
Come to any rehab center and see all the “grooming” including changing clothes etc. This includes suppositories for conspation.
The nurse was checking for how well fed the child was.At a certain age if a child is not wipping properly, that can cause all kinds of urinary track infections. How do you that the nurse didn’t have a new pack of absolutely NEW clean pair of underpants to have the kid put on? This is totally innocent things school nurse do, including showers for children who have poor hygiene. You need to get your mind out of the gutter. The mother should be thanking the nurse about the wiping. The mother should thank the nurse who took the time out to care for her child
Luckily you are outnumbered
Even if this is some kind of standard practice the nurse and school district should have –
1. Notified the parent what was happening and why before it happened.
2. Explained why a bloody nose requires clothing removal and observation in the restroom.
3. The school district should inform all parents of the extent of a nurse’s possible nonconsensual duties or actions regarding children and why it would wed to be nonconsensual.
I don’t think this is in the nurse’s manual
The parents of this little girl must follow up with any and all means possible. Police? Attorney? Sheriff? This is completely unacceptable. No exceptions. This is highly inappropriate behavior.
See King Paul’s comment?
I did. I have no idea where he is coming from. The nurse’s behavior is inappropriate by every measure.
. YOU seem to have a huge hang up about nudity. And it’s YOU who is making huge assumptions. There are many reasons why a school nurse would want to see a child naked and the serious one , child abuse, what if the child was covered in bruises. Perhaps the nurse observed that the child clothes were dirty and gave him/her clean clothes. Get your mind out of the gutter. School nurses are not grooming anyone.
The child went to the nurse for a blood nose! No abuse was alleged or found. Seriously, I hope you don’t have kids.
This unacceptable behavior on the part of the so-called nurse, only makes sense to people who agree with the goals of Comprehensive Sexual Education via the National Sex Education Standards. The stated goal is to DESTROY Childhood Innocence and Destabilize Children. The nurse is on board with this.
It doesn’t take an accident in a kids pants to know they smell like they need to be taught how to wipe. Schools take clothes donations for this reason, and thank god they do for these instances when kids need a change of clothes.
Nurses are trained to spot neglect and abuse and things like a child clearly needing taught how to wipe are often tell-tale signs of such.
You are making assumptions that are unfounded!
No Diane you are making hysterical charges against totally innocent nurse. If the child was not wiping right he SMELLED. The nurse rightly gave clean underwear. Stop the busybody hysterical charges. It’s YOUR hang up, not the child’s hang up.
Make up your own facts! Maybe the child didn’t wipe right because a pervert was watching
Sorry Diane it’s YOU who is the pervert who is conducting an hysterical witchunt against a school nurse. It’s YOU who has a lot of hang ups. The nurse changed the underwear because she observed dirty underwear whether the child miswiped or came to school with dirty underwear is besides the point. You don’t get to conduct a witch hunt. Go back to talking about knockoff designer purses as a racist attack against a Black Council woman
Post proof, you can’t because you made it up.
@ King G.
Do you know the nurse? Do you have more information than what the parent told Diane? If you don’t then you are assuming more than you should and more than Diane is.
How do you know the nurse was totally innocent?
Given Unit 5’s pushing ideology that few parents agree with, we should not assume that they or their staff are completely innocent. An abundance of caution is warranted. Questions should be asked.
Since I haven’t said which school this happened at, King doesn’t know the nurse (unless King is the nurse playing CYA)
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Diane, your visiting resident lunatic is a lunatic. My gawd!
The Unit 5 nurse you’re talking about can sue you, Diane and this blog for slander. You’re the “Lunatic” . You know you can be personally sued for damages. Apparently that’s what you want.
What’s the nurses name? What school? 🤣😆
My wife got called to school when my daughter got bubble gum in her hair. In kindergarten. They would not cut it out. Turned out it was a girl in the same class same name and last initial. So not our problem. I am pretty sure if she had hygiene issues we would have been contacted before something like this happened. NOT SAYING that was this issue but that is the leading theory to explain this craziness. Our daughter would have been pulled out of school and an attorney retained of this happened. Home school if you can. Private school if you can’t. Assistance is available. Avoid unit 5 and public school if you can. We wish we did.
Mike, you’re comparing getting a child clean clothes because they had poor hygiene to literally not being willing to cut a child’s hair. Imagine the anger that would come from a nurse/school employee cutting a kid’s hair. Apples to oranges, and an insane comparison at that.
Definitely did not compare the two. Please re-read my post. Just giving an example of the low threshold for parent contact. Stripping a child naked should be a parent contacted event. This was criminal. Sad that is not 100% apparent.
Let’s see the child was not whiped properly and more than likely smelled. How much bullying was this kid who smelled endured?
Since you’re making crap up, the nurse did the kid a massive favor changing his underwear and clothes that were dirty. More hysteria about “grooming”. How is the kid going to be normal and play sports if he Can’t be naked in front of other people to shower? Nurses and in particularly this nurse should be praised This is your hang up not grooming. For shame for this blogger who is such a pearl clutching prude, a kind action by her is being misunderstood and misrepresented
The nurse should be arrested!
No DCFS report so you can stop trying to justify this!
King Paul…it seems as if you are projecting on to the author of this post to which you are the only person in disagreement. The nurse did wrong. Period.
For those who think is easy to navigate this situation in a school system – not all parents have funds for lawyers and even so they are sleep in the same bed with the schools.
I’m so fed up with people who have solutions and funds to do so.
Dcfs will only make matters worse.
Respectfully, an educated nurse and special person fighting for a child’s life in McLean country court.
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Having a child undress for a bloody nose? There is no excuse. None. Have the parent’s notified law enforcement? Has child protective services been notified. The moment the nurse had a child strip for a bloody nose, it became a criminal act. Mom needs to notify law enforcement, retain a lawyer, file a civil suit against Unit 5.
I talked to the mom again this morning. She is assessing how to proceed. She is appreciative of those who feel the same way she does, prior to this story the school had tried to convince her it was no big deal.
I really hope that this passing-along-of-information-via-someone-told-me-and-now-I’m-putting-it-on-the-internet doesn’t end up with some child getting hurt because of rumors or a school nurse fired if there is not cause. In any case, this is a serious situation that would likely best be handled between all parties involved, instead of speculated and gossiped about on a blog by adults who should know better. This excerpt of an anecdote is not the full story, and yet it’s inspired people to raise pitchforks regardless. No wonder press credentials were denied for this blog: There is no care of how what’s written here can impact individual lives if a mistake is made.
The school wasn’t named, the child wasn’t named, the nurse wasn’t named. The story was to see if other parents faced the same issue. If somebody is hurt they did it to themselves.
What I wrote: “I really hope that this passing-along-of-information-via-someone-told-me-and-now-I’m-putting-it-on-the-internet doesn’t end up with some child getting hurt because of rumors”
Response: “If somebody is hurt they did it to themselves.”
Wow.
At a minimum the parent or parents or anyone designated as the childs caretaker should be involved every step of the way if a child is removed out of the school environment, i.e. the nurses office. The child should not be touched or requested to do anything without approval of the parent or designee. The only exception would be a life threatening emergency. What is so difficult about understanding this?
Schools are trying to replace parents
There are bad people. They might be parents, teachers, administrators, nurses. They might be abusive, neglectful, pedophiles, or powermongers. Is it wrong to immediately assume the non-parents are bad people when something like this happens? Perhaps. But too many teachers, administrators, nurses etc assume bad parents are the norm rather than the exception and that mindset makes Them bad people. And sadly that seems to be the norm these days, especially in our public schools.
I try my best to look at All viewpoints. But even in a best case scenario where the nurse was acting in good faith and can justify these actions, this was Not ‘no big deal’ to be swept under the rug – the parents deserve a minimum of a good explanation and an apology. The fact that that apparently was not forthcoming fuels the belief that the school is ‘bad people’. Whether that’s just administrators that are dismissive of parental concerns, or ones that are knowingly covering for a pedophile nurse, or something in between remains to be seen.
Pedophile nurse? Are you kidding me? You don’t have all the facts and you are calling another human a pedophile. This is an egregious charge, not a random word to bandy about and toss at someone *YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW*, and it should be treated like the egregious charge it is, instead of being lobbed about carelessly like most people in this comment section have been doing.
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I made no accusations of ‘pedophile nurse’ – I listed it as a possibility, just as I also mentioned ‘acting in good faith and justifiable actions’..
“Methinks he/she/it/they doth protest too much.”
Sorry hairline king, but there’s absolutely no reason anyone in a healthcare profession should ever have to apologize for looking after the well-being of a child if there are signs of neglect or poor hygiene, as seems to be the case here.
But, ya know, we don’t have all the facts or even close to a single fact because this is what Diane does best: puts stuff out into the ether to stir up controversy, gets called on it and when she has no response she can only mutter out some laughing emojis.
Thanks for making up your on facts. You know NOTHING but spout lies anyway. This child was not abused, the nurse stripped him/her twice and never made a report to DCFS.
@Angry
So Diane has been “called” on the facts?
You say you know what this case “ seems to be” about. Diane talked to the parent. Who did you talk to?
No, you stop this egregious witch hunt you are conducting against a innocent School nurse. You Are one making things up considering the history of this blog. These are false charges against nurses. Also you are a busybody who writes about things that you have no business inserting yourself into.
Bloody nose?? A lot blood all over his clothes, so the nurse takes the bloody clothes off, cleans the face area. She sends him to the bathroom. When he comes back she has new underwear for the old smelly underwear, It’s YOU who has no proof that this was “grooming” . Your hysterical charges are ridiculous. However you using this blog for false charges is what you do.
Again you don’t get to. Conduct a witch hunt
Stop making up your own facts. If you continue doing it all future comments will be deleted. My site, my rules.
Hm. This doesn’t really seem to align with your continued touting of the first amendment and how your rights are being withheld all the time now does it, Diane?
As the ole saying goes, best thing about being a hypocrite is you can do whatever you want. Rings true to you, doesn’t it? 😉
Making up more “facts”?
@ King G.
Do you have firsthand knowledge of what happened?
Can’t have 1st hand knowledge since I didn’t say what school it happened at!
I see your tactic changed. Went from this is no problem to Diane is making things up. It feels there is a personal connection here. Can’t see why anyone would be ok with this.
I agree Mike, for King G. this isn’t about a traumatized child and the mother, it’s about BLNews and Diane. The child in question is just a straw man for him/her. I don’t think it’s necessary to address the King’s argument anymore.
Colgatecomedyhour absolutely nailed it.
Thank you.
Few folks seem interested in saying, “Gee, this looks like a slam dunk. But maybe there’s more to this than a post that took me a grand total of 57 seconds to read. So perhaps I should withhold judgment and condemnation until I get additional credible accounts and information that can provide a fuller, more detailed picture of everything that happened. For example, what reasons and explanations did the nurse provide to the parent? This happened not once, but twice. The parent must have had some lengthy exchanges with the nurse – so why aren’t her explanations included? Seems like they would be pretty relevant.
“Still, only three people have first-hand knowledge and experience of this event – the nurse, the parent, and the child. So, unless I can talk to each of them directly, my information about this situation will always be incomplete and filtered. So maybe this is best treated as a private matter handled by the parties involved rather than being the object of allegations and speculation on a blog. Because, you know, this situation involves real people in our community – the nurse, the parent, the child – and they all deserve respect and kindness and the presumption of trying to do the right thing.
“And as someone who knows just part of the story, who knows just some of the facts, and who knows just little of the circumstances, I cannot in good conscience cast criticism or aspersions on anyone involved.”
Colgate, for some reason, I don’t get the impression that too many people are interested in that approach. But I admire your efforts to nudge a few in that direction.
Miss where I stated I was only looking to see if other parents had the same thing happen to their kids? I withheld a lot of infomation!
Thank you, Randy Gleason.
So my kiddos are only in pre-school, but also Dist. 87. One of my guys spilled milk on himself the other day. I just happened to be picking him up that day. His teacher immediately told me why he was in different clothes. Most kiddos have changes of clothes with them. I wasn’t notified since there was no injury. At daycare, whenever one of my guys had even a minor incident (bumped heads) I have been notified. Pretty much immediately and in writing.
My initial and most critical question is why was a parent not contacted? Why strip naked for a nose bleed with no blood on the clothes? Twice! Why did the child use the toilet while naked and in front of a nurse? Any child would probably not wipe properly under these circumstances, especially if they are young. There are a lot of unknowns in this story. But at the same time, it seems a lot happened without any parental notification.
I don’t know this nurse and don’t want to make any assumptions, but kiddos are taught to trust people that are in these types of roles, especially with the title nurse. What child wouldn’t trust a “nurse?” I find the nakedness alarming. Now if the child had filthy clothes on, then this changes the narrative. But it doesn’t change the fact that the parent wasn’t notified immediately. And again, not once, but twice. If this happened to one of my boys, I would be screaming from the rooftops without a valid reason. Don’t poke Momma Bears.
What the holy f***?
There’s either more to this or someone needs to meet the wood chipper.
So glad our kids are in D87!