By: Diane Benjamin
Below is what came up for me. How many years of debt do those 31% accumulate before they drop out?
Search Illinois State University Graduation Rate
By: Diane Benjamin
Below is what came up for me. How many years of debt do those 31% accumulate before they drop out?
Not that I study this subject but I thought I was a slug back in the day for spending an extra semester to graduate from ISU. Six years with a 69% graduation rate is terrible. Wow!
Absolutely horrible results. I would expect that also to taint the credibility of graduates. IE extrapolating that graduates of this institution are less valuable and less capable than those from other institutions. Those institutions adept at actual education brag about placement, earnings and attainment. They have the data to prove it and to recruit. Good luck finding any such thing at ISU. They are in the business of selling education, which is not quite the same as actual education which produces effective employees and future leaders. At what point do results like this approach fraud? How do they remain accredited?
The problem might be accepting 92% of applicants.
Back in the 70s it had to be 100%, because they accepted me. so slightly more selective 🙂
Considering who they accept as Freshman this doesn’t surprise me. ISU is more interested in Brainwashing, Indoctrination, and registering the students to vote in elections. How else are the leftist progressive marxist democrats going to keep their machine going? Any parent who sends their kid to ISU is wasting their money.
This is pretty consistent with other state schools throughout the country, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. The 92% acceptance rate is certainly a contributing factor, I believe.
“In 2020, the overall 6-year graduation rate for first-time, full-time undergraduate students who began seeking a bachelor’s degree at 4-year degree-granting institutions in fall 2014 was 64 percent. That is, by 2020, some 64 percent of students had completed a bachelor’s degree at the same institution where they started in 2014. The 6-year graduation rate was 63 percent at public institutions, 68 percent at private nonprofit institutions, and 29 percent at private for-profit institutions. The overall 6-year graduation rate was 60 percent for males and 67 percent for females. The 6-year graduation rate was higher for females than for males at both public (66 vs. 60 percent) and private nonprofit (71 vs. 64 percent) institutions. However, at private for-profit institutions, males had a higher 6-year graduation rate than females (31 vs. 28 percent).”
“We’re in the money”… Gold Diggers of 1933 comes to mind when I think of hier skools of education.
It’s a money maker game. They know students can get loans and some grants and mostly the award letters for funding far exceeds what is really needed. No wonder students rack up huge debt. So the schools raise the cost. In turn funding increases also. The value of education has also decreased in terms of the skills and knowledge they graduate with.
For a few years I mentored students in IT and believe me many had no idea what they really wanted to do. What do they think they will do apply someplace and say I’ll take a job you find me something. Employers call BS on that. You tell us what your career plans are.
If you think the ISU rate is bad, check out the community college 3 year completion rate…
https://www.communitycollegereview.com/completion-rates-stats/illinois
In Illinois, if you start at a community college, there’s a 2/3 chance that you won’t complete your degree within three years.
What a scam.
Maybe Obama was wrong, everyone shouldn’t go to college
Heartland: 32%. They obviously haven’t spent enough on a fancy campus yet.
Think about the kids that came from Unit 5 or any school district in Illinois. How distraught they must be to find out that skin color or gender aren’t a guaranteed path to a college diploma. It must be traumatic for them!
I don’t know that 6 years is really a stretch for first time, full-time students. It took me 5 and half years to finish my degree. Why? I changed majors twice. I had no clue what I really wanted to do at 18. Changing majors often leads to additional prerequisite classes that add on time to finish your degree in that major. Heartland didn’t exist when I graduated high school (yeah, I am that old). For those that don’t get at ton of aid or have Mom and Dad footing the bill, you have to work. This means you can’t take15 or 16 hour semesters or even load up on summers hours. Why? Because you have to work 40 plus hours in the summer to save up to have money for the upcoming school year. Also, how much does Athletics impact this statistic? I would be more interested to see what the graduation rate at 4 years is as well as for transfer students.
I am an ISU alum and currently work here. I know the campus has changed and is getting a bad reputation right now. However, I work with several student workers from a variety of backgrounds and I am really surprised with how grounded they really are. They do see through the BS, but also have had their eyes opened to things that had no clue where happening not only in the world, but in our community. I have heard they say on multiple occasions how they don’t want to listen to their professors politics and they have learned not to take classes from “those” professors. They are also learning to call those professors out in class and engage them in a civil manner and ask them what their political beliefs have to do with teaching X (pick a subject).
Where does ISU fall in comparison to other similar state schools? Is 69% great? No. Is it the worst? No.
Smart Cookie described what I see at ISU as well. Here’s an excellent piece from the WSJ (different source without a paywall): https://jacklimpert.com/2023/12/what-universities-have-done-to-themselves/
This column hits the nail on the head. Higher ed is destroying itself in the name of ‘wokeness.’ The DEI crap at ISU is nothing more than a fad, window dressing, because a small minority ids forcing their hand.